Is Islam God’s Choice to Purify the World?

Recently I attended a presentation entitled, “Is Islam in the Bible”, at a local church.  It was presented by Stephen Dickie, a self-published author of a little known book, Islam: God’s Forgotten Blessing.

It did not take me long to grow uncomfortable.  Not because of the topic of Islam but because of the biblical presumptions he presented.

Mr. Dickie was quick to put forth his own biblical interpretation that Islam was and is part of God’s design for the world.

As the author of the highly endorsed book, Islam & Christianity, I am not a neophyte when it comes to understanding Islam and its origins.  As Mr. Dickie proceeded with his premise, I quickly realized that we were on opposite sides of our understandings and beliefs about Islam and its Muslim adherents.

Using chapters 15-17 in Genesis of the Bible and Deuteronomy 21:15-17, Mr. Dickie stated emphatically that “the same promises that went to Isaac went to Ishmael, except for the promised Messiah [Jesus].”

Ishmael was the son of promise until Isaac was born,” he claimed.  In my study, the only promise that Ishmael received from Jehovah God was that, “He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.”  (Genesis 16:12)

Mr. Dickie believes that Isaiah 60 is a prophecy about Muslims and their returning to Jehovah God.  It was understood that he believes that the God of the Jews and the Christians is the same as Allah, the god of Muslims.

Turning to Revelation 9:1 of the Bible he read: “The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth.  The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss.”  The star Mr. Dickie proclaimed was Muhammed, the prophet of Islam.  Muhammed “was a worker with [Jehovah] God and sinned and fell to earth and was given the keys (authority) to the bottomless pit or earth” referred to in Revelation 20:1-3.

The “he” referred to in Revelation 9:2 was indeed Muhammed or Islam, Mr. Dickie said.  His premise for the evening was unabashedly this:  When God sent Muhammed the Christian church was in apostasy due to the dictates of Rome (i.e. the Roman Catholic Church).  God sent Muhammed and Islam to purge the church of its apostasy.  Drawing from Revelation 9:3 and the reference to “locusts”, Mr. Dickie said this referred to the “Children of the East” or Muslims whom God sent to punish the apostate church, then and now.

“If it wasn’t for Islam purging the Christians throughout Europe,” he asserted, “the [Protestant] Reformation would not have come.”

He cited Revelation 9:12-15 as prophetic evidence that God has sent and is today using Muslims to kill sinful mankind.

This is the most heretical and dangerous teaching that I have ever heard or read about concerning Islam.  Neither Muhammed nor Islam is prophesied in the Bible – unless you attribute their existence to the “anti-Christ” of scripture.  It is satan, not God, that is using Islam and Muslims to persecute Jews and Christians and the whole non-Muslim world.

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11 Responses to “Is Islam God’s Choice to Purify the World?”

  1. Karl Wagner Says:

    Only recently has Dickie’s book come to my attention. He is an Adventist (more like fringe) who is revising the old Advenist postion called the Eastern Question which was expunged from Adventism nearly 90 years ago. You are right, it is heretical with a captical “H”.
    Blessings,

  2. david@thetestimonies Says:

    I found this very interesting as I have been really looking for some impactful information in regards to muslim out reach and communication… clearly this mans book is not one of them

  3. Millie Says:

    What is your view of Genesis 17:18-20? This clearly states that God will bless Ishmael, make him the father of twelve rullers and make him a great nation. I am not understanding how you reached your conclusion that there were no other promises made about Ishmael beyond Genesis 16:12.

    This is not to say that I agree with Dickie’s interpretations of the Bible on Islam. Nevertheless, at least for now, I think the lack of explanation as to the promise in Genesis 17:18-20 undermines the credibility of your critique.

  4. James Gauss Says:

    Although I do not address Genesis 17:18-20 in my Blog, I do thoroughly comment on it in my book “Islam & Christianity.” Below is an exerpt from Chapter 1 of the book.

    Fourteen years after the birth of Ishmael, God fulfilled His intended covenant with Abram (now Abraham) with the birth of Isaac (“laughter”) to Sarah (“princess”) who was no longer called Sarai (“dominant”).
    Abraham asked God if “Ishmael might live before You?”
    But God told Abraham, “No, Sarah your wife shall bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac; I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his descendants after him.
    “And as for Ishmael, I have heard you. Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall beget twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation (Genesis 17:18-20, NKJV).”
    God never intended to establish His covenant with Ishmael, because Ishmael was not the child of the promise but of the flesh. God could not establish His covenant with him, He could only bless him. While God blessed Ishmael with fruitfulness, He never made a covenant with him. God’s covenant was with Abraham and him only. And, unlike Abraham and Isaac, God never promised Ishmael and his seed that He would be their God.
    Although Arabic Muslims claim Abraham as their heir, biblically they are descendants of pre-covenant Abram, the one who disobeyed God and disbelieved His promise of an heir through Sarah. God could bless Ishmael, but He could never establish His covenant with a sinful seed of the flesh.

    Thank you for your comment.

  5. Ronald Monestime Says:

    I can understand the vehement opposition to this quasi-validation of Islam in the light of the 9/11 events, however, I have listened to some of Stephen Dickie’s sermons along with his series with Steven Wohlberg Islam Revisited (available for viewing here); (cf. Better Life TV’s series) Other resources can be found on Dickies’ website
    As you say James, especially in the light of Genesis 17:18-20, Islam was not the covenant line from Abraham, however I think God is clear that He would no less be with the line of Ishmael and indeed may (compensatorily) have given them a double (land and even people) blessing. Like Wohlberg and even Dickies at first, I myself was reluctant to give any credence to this view however the Biblical and prophetic evidence for the historical fulfillment of e.g. Rev 9 is too compelling. In fact, upon my studies, it is exegetically more exact in many areas than Dickie and Wohlberg probably see based on their TV discussions on this topic.

    What I am still reluctant to fully endorse is now an eschatological understanding. Terrorism with its attacks on innocent civilians is indeed evil, however when the roots of these socio-political clashes is taken into full consideration, i.e., Western powers overulingly forcing the Arab nations to accept a restored Jewish State in Palestine, it is not as one-sided as “western” media may choose to now depict it, with the underlying tenet that: they (the Arab/Muslim nations must accept our past imposition of Israel upon them).

    Biblically speaking Israel is fully responsible for their territorial losses from their past “Revolts” against the Roman Empire and that simply for refusing to pay their due poll/land taxes to Rome. So, as they rejected God’s covenant blessings in Jesus Christ, they were without the protection of God. So some may choose to see Muslim extremist actions as terrorism, however when all aspects of history are taken into consideration including the harm done by the forceful and militaristic imposition of the State of Israel in Palestine, forcing the Arabs into ghetto-like sectors, it is mainly an action-reaction development and given the relative “stone-age” state of most Arab countries, it is not surprising that this “reaction” is relatively crude and also delayed.

    So in summary, I see that Dickies view is Historically sound. This may indeed also apply in an Eschatological context. Also keep in my that the Series of Trumpets in Revelation is the symbolic context for both Judgement and Military Conflict. So in seeking to understand these truths, one must not be more of a “Patriot” than Biblical Christian. And, as with the great blessing given to Ishmael when he and Hagar were rejected (Gen 16:4-16) the Bible is clear that our God is a God of Justice and ‘whatsoever one (or a nation) sows, they will surely reap.’

  6. NJK Project Says:

    I can understand the vehement opposition to this quasi-validation of Islam in the light of the 9/11 events, however, I have listened to some of Stephen Dickie’s sermons along with his series with Steven Wohlberg Islam Revisited (available for viewing here); (cf. Better Life TV’s series) Other resources can be found on Dickies’ website
    As you say James, especially in the light of Genesis 17:18-20, Islam was not the covenant line from Abraham, however I think God is clear that He would no less be with the line of Ishmael and indeed may (compensatorily) have given them a double (land and even people) blessing. Like Wohlberg and even Dickies at first, I myself was reluctant to give any credence to this view however the Biblical and prophetic evidence for the historical fulfillment of e.g. Rev 9 is too compelling. In fact, upon my studies, it is exegetically more exact in many areas than Dickie and Wohlberg probably see based on their TV discussions on this topic.

    What I am still reluctant to fully endorse is now an eschatological understanding. Terrorism with its attacks on innocent civilians is indeed evil, however when the roots of these socio-political clashes is taken into full consideration, i.e., Western powers overulingly forcing the Arab nations to accept a restored Jewish State in Palestine, it is not as one-sided as “western” media may choose to now depict it, with the underlying tenet that: they (the Arab/Muslim nations must accept our past imposition of Israel upon them).

    Biblically speaking Israel is fully responsible for their territorial losses from their past “Revolts” against the Roman Empire and that simply for refusing to pay their due poll/land taxes to Rome. So, as they rejected God’s covenant blessings in Jesus Christ, they were without the protection of God. So some may choose to see Muslim extremist actions as terrorism, however when all aspects of history are taken into consideration including the harm done by the forceful and militaristic imposition of the State of Israel in Palestine, forcing the Arabs into ghetto-like sectors, it is mainly an action-reaction development and given the relative “stone-age” state of most Arab countries, it is not surprising that this “reaction” is relatively crude and also delayed.

    So in summary, I see that Dickies view is Historically sound. This may indeed also apply in an Eschatological context. Also keep in my that the Series of Trumpets in Revelation is the symbolic context for both Judgement and Military Conflict. So in seeking to understand these truths, one must not be more of a “Patriot” than Biblical Christian. And, as with the great blessing given to Ishmael when he and Hagar were rejected (Gen 16:4-16) the Bible is clear that our God is a God of Justice and ‘whatsoever one (or a nation) sows, they will surely reap.’

  7. NJK Project Says:

    Here is an interesting work written by Jews on the origin/history of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict citing/quoting primary sources, on a website, pertinently enough, named “If Americans Knew” see here.

  8. Warren Says:

    Regarding “but He could never establish His covenant with a sinful seed of the flesh.”, it is true that the coming of the Messiah was to be through the child of faith. But I think you need to clarify that this does not exclude anyone (Muslim or otherwise) from the covenant of Abraham that we may all be children of Abraham through faith (even though not through lineage).

    Also, I don’t think it is particularly helpful to argue that Allah is not the same God. Rather, I think it is important to establish what the true God is like (as revealed in the Bible). For a Muslim who at least respects the writings of Moses, the prophets and the Psalms, you should be able to do that just as Jesus did when He showed how the prophecies pointed to Him (on the road to Emmaus).

    After all, Paul told the Athenians that he was there to tell them more about the “Unknown God” they worshiped. I think that approach would be more kind and successful than telling someone “you’re all wrong”.

    Missionaries reaching out to animistic tribes have none-the-less been able to find common ground, pointing them to the true God. Usually there is some kind of legend in their past, for example, of how they lost their connection with God and started worshiping the spirits out of fear.

    Yet tragically, many Christians are taking an antagonistic approach to Muslims, rather than identifying common ground. This is not to say that we should discard the truth as it is in Jesus, but that we should not assume everything they teach is founded on error. Of course, the devil has tried to confuse all followers of God and lead them astray, but that does not mean those sincerely trying to follow God were actually not even following Him at all! I would say that we all need a good dose of humility in our outreach efforts.

    Let us all pray for God’s Spirit to guide us as we lift up Jesus, the light of the World, the express image of the Father.

  9. ColKlink Says:

    After the dark ages a Reformation God also used the atheist revolutions to end the holy roman empire found in the Bible Revelation chapters 11 & 13 following those “42 months”. Dickie is correct about Rev 9 yet very wrong claiming that Muhammad is “another prophet” or another path to God. The Arabs can come to God like any other.

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